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Re: LDAP forum (was: fascism)
On Wed, 22 Sep 2004, Francis Swasey wrote:
The fact that newsgroups are dying is just part of the sad commentary on
our current Internet growth phase. As a world society we do not seem to
be willing to spend time on much of anything. We want INSTANT results.
Instead of "try, try again" our motto has become "I'll try anything,
once and only once".
Some folks still have a work ethic, but that's not a popular thing among
It used to be accepted as fact that once a mailinglist exceeded 1000
participants, a newsgroup was far better and more efficient at getting
the information around to everyone interested.
Newsgroups were very efficient before AOL came on the Internet. These
days the bandwidth requirements of a "full Usenet feed" are so exorbitant
that fewer and fewer folks are running their own local news server.
Perhaps that was based more on the combined bandwidth requirements than
the instant gratification desires of the participants.
Bandwidth and disk requirements. News wasn't kept forever. It was
ephemeral except for those few folks who chose to backup everything to
tape or some reasonably cheap medium. These days a hard drive could hold
the entire history of Usenet's first decade and have space left over for a
few Linux distros.
But even in the "good old days" of the Net I've observed the tendancy of
newsgroups to be less technical and less likely to evoke a response than a
mailing list. A mailing list has a defined set of participants that want
to participate all the time. Newsgroups have a few regulars that read
every post voraciously and a lot of occassional lurkers. I don't know
whether there's a different psychology about posting something for the
whole world to see versus sending to the cozy set of a mailing lists
participants, but it does seem to have an effect.
One example of this is the pine-users mailing list which I was on for a
few years. This was also gatewayed to a newsgroup. There was great
debate over the effect this had on the mailing list. Generally it didn't
have a huge impact once it was all over, but there was a lot of whining
about things going to hell in a handbasket just over the idea.
I've personally never read the ldap mailinglist at umich -- it seemed to
have died a while back, but probably I was just too impatient with it
and wasn't willing to search out the archives of the list to see how
relevant it would be to my situation.
I asked my question there and got back total silence so I'd say rumors
about ldap@umich's death seem to be quite true. I haven't seen any other
traffic on there at all. [sigh.] The one link I found to an archive is
dead with no redirect. I didn't look too hard though.
I also posted on the Microsoft forums with no replies.
But I'll keep trying.
There are two ways of constructing a software design. One way is to make
it so simple that there are obviously no deficiencies. And the other way
is to make it so complicated that there are no obvious deficiencies.
-- C.A.R. Hoare