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Re: slapo-dynlist search member=value search?
Pierangelo Masarati wrote:
I believe that nss_ldap also does both types of search.
No it doesn't. It is designed check presence of user's DN in
Well, on Debian 4.0 with libnss-ldap 251-7.5 I can see that it _does_
search for memberUID:
Aug 22 07:55:01 myserver slapd: conn=0 op=4719 SRCH base="o=MyOrg"
scope=2 deref=0 filter="(&(objectClass=posixGroup)(memberUid=www-data))"
If the www-data user would belong to any dynamic groups, nss-ldap
wouldn't find it out.
What you're thinking of is not implemented in OpenLDAP. If you think
it's so easy and so much required, feel free to submit a patch.
Patches that provide generally useful functionalities are always welcome.
I don't claim it is easy. In fact, I know this problem is quite hard -
that's why I was hesitant to try out dynlist since I didn't expect it
would work this way. The documentation mislead me to think it works,
OTOH, this functionality would be so useful, that I might give it a shot.
But I didn't work with OpenLDAP codebase yet, so obviously I'll need
A couple of initial questions spring to my mind:
1. I could use the backends' already present indexing mechanism for
doing the hard work, but I need dynlist to be able order the
backend to update indexes on member attribute for specific dynamic
group objects, which could have their member lists changed. Is it
possible with the current overlays/backends architecture?
* Example scenario:
* dynlist detects that a user has his DN changed from
uid=phil,l=Brighton,o=MyOrg to uid=phil,l=London,o=MyOrg
* dynlist determines which dynamic lists can potentially have
him as a member: looks for a logical conjunction of two
conditions: 1) the base DN of a memberURL is a prefix to
either the old DN or new DN of the user, 2) any attribute in
the LDAP filter of that memberURL is present in either the
new or old version of the entry (or both). Such a dynamic
list could either have the entry as a member or could gain
this entry if it didn't have it previously so its member
list needs to be reindexed.
2. dynlist overlay needs to keep track of base DNs and filter
atrributes of all memberURLs present the backend database in two
(or more) dictionary-type data structures. So it either needs to
store data about memberURL's permanently (not possible for
overlays?), or scan the whole backend's database at each startup
(slow). Is it possible to implement the first variant - permanent
data storage for dynlist overlay? I understand that overlays
cannot assume that they are used by a specific backend (e.g. bdb)
and cannot order the backend to store arbitrary data, AFAIK. Am I
3. A significant speed optimization could be made if the overlay
could affect backend's indexing operation more directly. I mean,
when changing a potential member entry, for a given potential
dynamic list affected, either only one entry in its member index
is affected (added, removed or DN change), or the index is left
unchanged. If dynlist could simply test if the old and new verions
of the entry matched the memberURL's filter (possibly a "scope
one" search, but for the new verision it should be on a "virtual",
non-existing-yet entry), then it could determine immediately which
kind of low-level index operation needs to be performed - we have
three possible cases that would only affect at most one index
leaf. So the questions are: is it possible for the dynlist overlay
to test filters on the old and new versions of an entry for the
current transaction? Is it possible for the overlay to affect the
backend's indexing operation on single index entry level and would
it give a speed gain?
Ad 1. - I'm think that dynlist would have to keep track memberURLs in 2
dictionaries: one that maps base DN's from memberURL's to objects that
have those memberURLs, second that maps attributes mentioned in filters
to to objects that have those memberURLs. The first dictionary should be
able to effectively search using a reverse-postfix-string match, that is
"find all the keys which are prefixes of the given DN (the predecessors
in LDAP hierarchy)".
Then to determine whether the memberURL is possibly affected, we have to
determine the intersection of sets that result from lookup in both
dictionaries - which could be implemented quite effectively if the
dictionaries would keep the values ordered.
Now the answers to Howard Chu:
Howard Chu wrote:
If you make the data permanent, then you may as well just use static
The difference is, static groups are human-managed (or require a special
application to be written to maintain their definitions algoritmically
and refresh them on a regular basis).
The data would just be helper data that would let dynlist optimize its
work for speed by eliminating unneeded memberURL tests be deciding which
memberURLs could potentially be affected by a ADD/MOD/MODRDN/DEL operation.
Tracking "any memberURL in the directory" is either memory intensive
and/or CPU intensive. There's no good way to do this without
sacrificing one or both.
Well, the server administrator should find the information on the speed
sacrifice and decide whether the feature is viable or not.
I think that my scheme is not so memory intensive (especially if
implemented with an on-disk dictionary structure) and it's CPU intensive
only for worst-case scenarios (memberURL's anchored in directory's base
DN and filtering on objectclass attribute) and only for direcotry update
operations, which are rare for LDAP directories by definition (quoting
IBM's "Understanding LDAP": "One special characteristic of directories
is that they are accessed (read or searched) much more often than they
are updated (written)").
There would be a warning in the documentation advising to avoid ussage
of too generic LDAP attributes in memberURL filters (e.g. objectClass,
cn) and too short base DNs.
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