draft LDAPEXT minutes from Munich

[Tim Howes <howes@netscape.com>]

Hi gang. Here's a draft of minutes from the munich
meeting of LDAPEXT. Let Mark and me know if there
are any corrections or additions. Sorry for the delay
in getting these out.                 -- Tim

LDAP Extensions BOF
Meeting Minutes
Monday, August 11, 1997, 1930-2200
Munich, Germany

- Welcome and agenda review

	LDAPEXT met as a BOF to propose a new working group in the
	Applications area.  The BOF chairs are Tim Howes and Mark
	Wahl.

	Since the disposition of the drafts remaining in ASID had been
	discussed in the ASID meeting earlier that morning, the
	"Disposition of drafts" agenda item was renamed "Discussion of
	drafts".

- Discussion of directory reoganization

	Harald Alvestrand presented an overview of the plan for
	reorganization.  The ASID, IDS and FIND groups will soon be
	shutting down. In their place will be new working groups for:

	- processing LDAP extensions, including access control and replication
          (LDAPEXT),
        - deploying directories, possibly in the Operations area (DIRDEP),
        - establishing a listing service for schemas (SCHEMA), and
        - issues relating to the text-based directories WHOIS++ and RWHOIS
          (TBD)

	Reviewing schemas individual applications and submitting them
	for standardization will not be done by these working groups.
	Instead, discussion will take place on the ASID list, which
	will be kept open, and documents will be submitted directly
	to Harald, the area director.

- Discussion of proposed LDAPEXT charter

	Patrick Richard suggested adding "signing responses" to areas
	of planned extensions.  A signing control could provide support
	for non repudiation services, which is not currently available
	with the security mechanisms already defined for use with
	LDAPEXT. After some discussion, the group agreed to add this
	item to the charter.

	Ed Reed suggested the addition of critical quality of service
	features to the charter. After a great deal of discussion, no
	change was made to the charter. The group felt that mission
	critical aspects could be dealt with as requirements for or
	profiling of the replication and other services being defined.

	Sanjay Jain suggested the addition of administrative areas to
	the charter.  After a brief discussion, no change was made to
	the charter. Again, the group felt that these concerns should
	be included in the access control and replication items where
	necessary, and did not warrant a separate agenda item.

	Chris Harding raised the issue of API standardization, pointing
	out that the IETF has not traditionally standardized APIs. This
	issue had been raised before in the ASID group at the Memphis
	IETF meeting, where there was strong consensus that the group
	should attempt to advance as a standard the client access API.
	The group reaffirmed this consensus, and decided to proceed
	full steam ahead on the API.

	Ed Reed raised the issue of server backlinks for DN-valued attributes
	(i.e., a device for helping to maintain the consistency of groups
	and other objects that list entries in the directory). Though
	these could have an impact on access control and replication,
	there did not appear to be consensus to add them to the charter
	at this time.

	Mark Wahl proposed adding the Connectionless UDP transport of
	LDAP (CLDAP) to the charter, and after a quick poll of the
	group as to the potential usefulness of this item, CLDAP was
	agreed to be added to the charter.

	The revised charter work items include:

	 - Replication
	 - Access control and authentication
	 - Sorting and paged retrieval of search results
	 - Dynaming directories
	 - Schema, referral and knowledge reference maintenance
	 - LDAP server discovery
	 - LDAP APIs
	 - CLDAP
	 - Signed directory information

	With the end of this discussion, the group agreed that the
	charter should be revised and LDAPEXT should be requested to
	become a full-fledged working group.

	ACTION: Tim and Mark to revise the charter.

	ACTION: Tim and Mark to request LDAPEXT become a working group.

- Discussion of drafts

	Access Control Requirements:

	Ellen Stokes presented an introduction of LDAP access control
	model design she has done. The group agreed that Ellen should
	continue with her plans to deveop an access control requirements
	draft, along with other volunteers from the group. [[Anybody
	remember who else volunteered here?]]

	Individual Extensions:

	Mark Wahl inquired for interest in the "X.500-based Protected
	and Strong Authentication" document.  At present there did not
	appear to be sufficient interest from implementors to progress
	this draft, so the group agreed to table it for the moment.

	The following drafts:

		draft-ietf-asid-ldapv3-sorting
		draft-ietf-asid-ldapv3-simplepaged
		draft-ietf-asid-ldapv3ext
		draft-ietf-asid-ldap-dynatt
		draft-ietf-asid-ldapv3-referral
		draft-ietf-asid-ldapv3-lang

	have been available for some time in ASID. After a short
	discussion of the general stability of and interest in the
	drafts, the group agreed that last call should be issued on
	these documents a month after the IETF. The Dynamic Entries
	draft would be progressed first as it had been out for the
	longest time.

	Tim reported that the draft on caching LDAP entries was
	reissued as it had expired, it was agreed that the caching
	draft should be put up for last call after sufficient discussion
	has taken place on the list.

	Patrick Richard volunteered to publish a draft on the signing of
	information in LDAP in a months time, and the group agreed.

	Ellen Stokes proposed generating a strawman document on use of
	transactions with LDAP.  An informal group of interested
	parties was scheduled to meet later in the week to consider
	this topic.

	The idea of a merge between LDAP with ACAP was briefly discussed,
	but quickly decided that this is out of scope of the charter for
	LDAPEXT at this time.

	API:

	The group briefly discussed the three drafts in question:

		draft-ietf-asid-ldapv3-api-ext-00.txt
		draft-ietf-asid-ldap-java-api-00.txt
		draft-ietf-asid-ldap-c-api-00.txt

	It was decided to discuss the drafts on the list with an eye
	toward issuing last call on the C, Java, and Paging
	Extension API drafts by the December meeting.

	Replication Requirements:

	An informal group was scheduled to meet later in the week to
	integrate comments on the draft-ietf-asid-ldap-repl-info.

	It was planned to reissue revised Replication Requirements by
	October, with the goal of reaching last call by December.

	Replication Protocol Extensions:

	There was some discussion of potential protocol extensions
	needed for replication and inter-server communication, but
	the group tabled the rest of the discussion to the list.

- Any Other Business

	No other business was raised, so the group adjourned with the
	plan of meeting at the next IETF in December as a real working
	group.