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Re: DO NOT HI-JACK OIDs [Was: Adding Objectclass account gives object class violation]

On 04/15/10 14:34, Adam Tauno Williams wrote:
> On Thu, 2010-04-15 at 13:01 +0200, Zdenek Styblik wrote:
>> That's not actually 100% correct, because you can. However, there is 
>> going to be collision (if his OID hasn't collided already with some 
>> pre-defined schema) if you are going/plan to use your directory with 
>> other organizations.
>> It's same with IP addresses. You can use whatever [IP] you want. It
>> only 
>> depends how far will you get.
>> So please, don't say "can not" if you actually "can". Yes, it doesn't 
>> make it right, yet it is possible - yes, we can. 

I see you got offended. Oh well.

> Seriously?  Your distinction is completely silly;  "can " and "can not"
> applies to social conventions and practices in normal language.  Fine -

Is it?

OpenLDAP admin guide 2.4
('http://www.openldap.org/doc/admin24/schema.html#Extending Schema')
--- SNIP ---
Under no circumstances *should* you hijack OID namespace!
--- SNIP ---

RFC 2119 ('http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc2119.html')
--- SNIP ---
3. *SHOULD*   This word, or the adjective "RECOMMENDED", mean that there
   may exist valid reasons in particular circumstances to ignore a
   particular item, but the full implications must be understood and
   carefully weighed before choosing a different course.
--- SNIP ---

Yeah, I fully understood that I want to keep my OpenLDAP directory
closed before the rest of the world, and I fully understood that I'm not
going wait nor ask IANA for OID just because I want to try something.
And yet I haven't denied this [in the meaning of valid reason] for one
time, or did I? Because there is valid reason I've pointed out before
and again.

> you want "don't" OK.  I "can" set fire to buildings, and if someone said
> "you can't do that" *everyone* would know *exactly* what they meant.

That is - ehm - somewhat incorrect comparison. But hey, you obviously
don't want to let it go, do you?
IANA, RIPE (or ARIN for .US), etc. are no gods nor dictators and
whatever. Within private network one can do what he wants. Purpose for
these organizations is to assure/ease interoperability between subjects
(probably a small look into history?).
Comparison to burning buildings, killing people, stealing or whatever is
somewhat - out of the planet, sorry.

> Please.

And btw I know you meant well, so I don't understand why you have
twisted over it.

Just relax,

Zdenek Styblik
Net/Linux admin
OS TurnovFree.net
email: stybla@turnovfree.net
jabber: stybla@jabber.turnovfree.net