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Re: (ITS#8380) Feature request: make a plugin like smbk5pwd for the HA1 and HA1b hashes used in DIGEST and HMAC
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- Subject: Re: (ITS#8380) Feature request: make a plugin like smbk5pwd for the HA1 and HA1b hashes used in DIGEST and HMAC
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- Date: Sun, 06 Mar 2016 21:29:23 +0000
- Auto-submitted: auto-generated (OpenLDAP-ITS)
On 06/03/16 20:49, Howard Chu wrote:
> Daniel Pocock wrote:
>> On 06/03/16 20:00, Howard Chu wrote:
>>> firstname.lastname@example.org wrote:
>>>> Full_Name: Daniel Pocock
>>>> OS: Debian
>>>> URL: ftp://ftp.openldap.org/incoming/
>>>> Submission from: (NULL) (2001:1620:b22::2042)
>>>> There are a few protocols that use a HA1 password hash, such as HTTP
>>>> DIGEST, SIP DIGEST and TURN (which uses HMAC rather than
>>>> Is there a standard LDAP attribute name for storing a HA1 value or
>>>> should it be stored in a regular userPassword attribute as described in
>>>> the manual?
>>> The ITS is not for usage questions. You already asked this and were
>>> answered on the discussion mailing list.
>>> There is nothing here that requires any OpenLDAP development activity.
>>> It's all already handled by the SASL Digest mechanism, as I already
>>> noted in the above email.
>>> Closing this ITS.
>> I didn't open this feature request to ask for somebody to implement it,
>> I'm simply trying to track a number of items that I'm working on myself.
>> Normally I open a bug/feature request in anything I work on in case
>> somebody else wants to work on the same thing, it helps avoid
>> The email thread doesn't fully resolve the issue, it does appear to
>> require some plugin to be created for the server side, especially if the
>> LDAP server doesn't keep plain text passwords. Given the fairly generic
>> nature of the DIGEST algorithm, I also felt that when implemented, this
>> code should be contributed to the OpenLDAP repository and not hosted
> Take the hint: RTF SASL Digest code. All the code you're asking for has
> already been implemented in Cyrus SASL and is of zero concern to OpenLDAP.
> The most important skill of a programmer is being able to *read* - not
> being able to write. Any fool can spew code.
I'm not sure if you've seen my reply to the list, it looks like it got
stuck in moderation
I understand your point about DIGEST and that may well work for HTTP and
SIP. TURN, however, uses HMAC-SHA1 and that involves sending a copy of
the entire message body to the authentication server for use in the
CRAM-MD5 from SASL does HMAC but it does not appear to transfer entire
message bodies in the manner required for TURN.
DIGEST-MD5 and HMAC-SHA1 both use a HA1 value (or a cleartext password)
as the lowest common denominator but otherwise they are not the same.
> Your mention of smbk5pwd is totally off base as well. The reason the
> smbk5pwd module was needed was because Samba 3 and the Kerberos5 KDC
> both stored their secrets in separate and incompatible formats but
> everyone wanted central coordinated administration for these separate
> attributes. If you're writing something from scratch there is no reason
> to use your own separate and incompatible attribute, and thus there is
> no reason to require any special synchronization or coordination.
The reason I mentioned that is because it was the closest thing I could
find to the concept of storing multiple password hashes, but I'm not
locked in to that strategy. If there are cleartext passwords in LDAP
then they can be used for all of these algorithms. If the administrator
does not want to store cleartext values, however, then the salted
password strings used for UNIX logins are not interchangeable with HA1
hashed values, in that case, isn't it necessary to store and synchronize
multiple values, hashed with each algorithm?