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Re: What Does De-Reference Mean?
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It's for a certification program that The Open Group plans to launch
for LDAP servers. I believe the certification program is aimed at
directory interoperability, and facilitates a test suite which includes
this test case which is in fact derived from a test in BLITS.
I don't think they plan to marry the interoperability test suite with
any kind of directory usage guidelines.
Jim
>>> John McMeeking <jmcmeek@us.ibm.com> 3/28/03 10:24:27 AM >>>
Is this discussion purely for the purpose of determining the correct
behavior of test cases? Or, are the test cases mentioned implementing
some
recommended approach to handling some issue (hopefully not defining
nicknames for users)?
I ask because in my experience, aliases are not well understood, which
makes them easy to misuse, and there are often significant performance
impacts.
If this is just for a test case, fine. But I'd like to know if this
associated with some directory usage guidelines.
John McMeeking
Chris Harding
<c.harding@opengroup To: "Kurt D.
Zeilenga" <Kurt@OpenLDAP.org>
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03/28/2003 10:18 AM
Hi, Kurt -
Thanks for this response. It clearly implies that if there is an entry
"Jonathan Adams" and an alias entry "Jonny Adams" that points to it
then:
- a search for "Jonathan Adams" with alias dereferencing requested
should return the Jonathan Adams entry
- a search for "Jonny Adams" with alias dereferencing requested
should not return either entry.
Does anyone disagree with this interpretation?
At 15:42 27/03/2003 -0800, Kurt D. Zeilenga wrote:
>It should be clear that each and every entry returned in
>response to a search request did match the search filter. That
>is, if the filter is (CN=foo) than each entry returned has "foo"
>as a (not necessarily returned) value of an attribute whose
>type is CN or a subtype of CN.
>
>When dereferencing during searching (by derefInSearching or
>derefAlways), the filter should be matched against the entry which
>the alias refers to, not the alias itself.
>
>If the client asks for all alias objects, e.g, (objectClass=alias)
>with dereferencing during finding enabled, then no entries should
>be returned. Likewise, when requesting (objectClass=*) with
>dereferencing during finding enabled, none of entries returned
>should belong to the alias objectClass.
>
>So, to answer your specific question, it is not relevant to
>the matching what values of CN the 'alias' has. The values
>of the aliased entry are, however, quite relevant.
>
>Kurt
>
>
>At 11:22 AM 3/26/2003, Chris Harding wrote:
> >Hi -
> >
> >The interpretation of the LDAP RFCs as regards dereferencing has
become
> an issue for the new certification program that The Open Group plans
to
> launch for LDAP servers. We have discussed it in the Directory
> Interoperability Forum, and agreed that we should ask the experts in
the
> ldapbis group. Accordingly, I would like to ask your help in
clarifying
> this issue.
> >
> >Here's the issue. The requirement in the specification is:
> >
> > When a server receives a search request with the
derefAliases
field
> > set to derefInSearching then it will dereference aliases in
> subordinates
> > of the base object in searching.
> >
> >We have a test suite for use in the certification program. The
suite
> includes a test of this requirement (which is in fact derived from a
test
> in BLITS). The test data includes two entries: Jonathan Adams and
Jonny
> Adams. The Jonny Adams entry is an alias for Jonathan Adams.
> >
> >The test should check that Jonny Adams is de-referenced and
Jonathan
> Adams is returned. The question is, should the test search for Jonny
or
> for Jonathan.
> >
> >RFC 2251 does not explain dereferencing but defers to X.501.
> Unfortunately, X.501 does not seem to explain it very well. My
personal
> interpretation after reading it is that, whenever a server encounters
an
> alias entry in the course of a search and dereferencing has been
> requested, the server should dereference the alias and carry on
searching
> from the entry that the alias points to. Under this interpretation,
a
> search for Jonny should return the same result as a search for
Jonathan -
> the Jonathan Adams entry.
> >
> >I don't claim to be an expert on the interpretation of the
> specifications - but I hope that experts in the IETF community can
shed
> light on this!
> >
> >Please send your comments to the ldapbis list. I will report the
> consensus (assuming that one is reached) to the DIF.
> >
> >Regards,
> >
> >Chris
> >+++++
> >
>
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> > T H E Executive Director for the Directory Interoperability
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Chris
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